GUEST: Hannah Dahlen
JOB TITLE: Professor of Midwifery, Western Sydney University
DATE/TIME: 1st October (12pm UK time)
PLATFORM: Twitter Discussion using hashtag #BirthSummit Follow @birthsummit
GUEST TWITTER NAME: @hannahdahlen
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Q: Would you like to introduce yourself and your area of research?
Hannah Dahlen: “Midwife, professor, activist, researcher into ways to optimize physiology & make motherhood powerful not traumatic”
Q: What do you think is the most pressing challenge facing midwives today?
Hannah Dahlen: “Getting normal to be understood as extraordinary & valuable technology has become revered when physiology should be more so”
Hannah Dahlen: “We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking that created them” -Albert Einstein. We need to think differently”
Q: How would you think / act different?
Hannah Dahlen: “We need to think impossible thoughts & these need to be based on possible observations and pursued with rigour and patience”
Hannah Dahlen: “Despite all the normal birth activism intervention in childbirth continues to rise. What should we do?”
Hannah Dahlen: We are obsessed with short term outcomes. Few look longterm at the downstream implications of what we do to women and babies
Hannah Dahlen: “We all need to talk and think and respect each other and have hope and unity for a better future”
Hannah Dahlen: “Perhaps the end (birth) is just the beginning. Have we run a 100 year experiment in birth. How will out guardianship be seen?”
Hannah Dahlen: “Almost no studies have focused on the nature of and impact of physiological birthing in well women and babies”
Hannah Dahlen: “100 years ago Kendal1 recognised bacteria during birth and following was important. What have we done in the past 100 years?”
Hannah Dahlen: “Is the day of birth the most dangerous or most defining? We focus on the danger not defining nature of birth. Both important”
Hannah Dahlen: “In 10 developed countries in the world despite five fold increase in caesarean section the incidence of cerebral palsy steady”
Hannah Dahlen: “Intervene in birth when you need to not when you don’t. We need to understand the longterm implications before it is too late”
Hannah Dahlen: Tthe way a woman gives birth can affect the rest of her life & that of her baby & her grandchildren” (Beech&Phipps 2004)”
Hannah Dahlen “The day of birth may turn out to be one of life’s most defining events”
Q: Where is the peer reviewed evidence relating to epigenetics? Can you reference please.
Hannah Dahlen: “The EPIIC Hypothesis that we published says “What is good for the mother is good for the baby http://linkis.com/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4M6iU”
HannahDahlen: “Surely labour is much too short to have an epigenetic influence? (indeed, the shorter the better!!)”
HannahDahlen: “The emerging science of epigenetics has not focused on the impact of childbirth as everyone has thought it too short a time.
Q: Do you believe syntocinon use is affecting normal production of oxytocin epigenetically?
Commenter: “I wonder though if it’s actually changing women’s ability to produce oxytocin and therefore birth normally”
Hannah Dahlen: I think there are great concerns there with brain development and epigenetic changes. Could even be leading to more PPH today
Commenter: “Agreed. I wonder though if it’s actually changing women’s ability to produce oxytocin and therefore birth normally”
Hannah Dahlen: Could be but so much we don’t know. Lots on this at #NormalBirth16 starting next week in Sydney
Q: Normal birth ‘activism’ has caused vast harm – eg Morecambe Bay…
Hannah Dahlen: “system failures not activism cause disasters”
Q: What one change would you make to maternity practices tomorrow?
Hannah Dahlen: “I think the answer to all this is to optimise physiology during pregnancy, labour and birth and beyond “
Hannah Dahlen: “Relationship based care. That will make care respectful and safe. The brain is the largest organ involved in childbirth”
Comments by Others on Twitter using #BirthSummit:
Q: “as sterility in homes/hospitals degrades microbiome, can it potentially increase harmful superbugs?”
Q: What could be done to introduce microbiome friendly surgery etc without increasing risk of harm?
Birth Summit answer: “We actually filmed ‘microbiome-friendly’ surgery in US – amazing stuff. Will be in a future summit!”
Commenter: “WOW! I asked it as hypothetical/wonder if this could even exist! Look forward to learning more!”
Commenter: “Vaginal seeding and fear of women’s bodily fluids, irony that we value the sterile but miss the physiological “magic””
Commenter: “We need to develop new &clever scientific methods. As we face the challenges we will develop these. I have faith &hope in humanity”
Commenter: “Absolutely love and respect – changes birth”
BIrthSummit: End of LIVE Q&A.Thanks so much Prof of #Midwifery @hannahdahlen To see Hannah in videos http://birthsummit.com
Hannah Dahlen: “Thanks Toni and all for a wonderful chat. We don’t have all the answers but we need to pursue the ones that show us the way”